Or you say "toothpick," And it's like, "Oh my husband, Jay, he's an ophthalmologist. They're just really gregarious people. I wanted to think that my plan was the one that was happening, but I wasnt certain. And I was like, Once I remove this man, Ill have clarity about how to win this game. And then I went home. Walk us through that live Tribal after everything blew up. [Laughs] I said that to Lindsay because they should know: "She has something and you should probably figure out what she has. The first quit occurred in Pearl Islands. TVLINE | The Tika idol finally came into play. Heather is a 52-year-old Stay-at-Home Mom from Charleston, South Carolina, where she is also currently living. So I was exactly where I wanted to be socially, just in between two alliances. Schedule of the RHAPSurvivor 41 Finale Podcasts, Six-time podcast award winner, zero-time Survivor winner. We were with you." Because I'm like, "Oh, a mother, I want to curate a relationship where it's like, 'Oh, give me advice, tell me this.'" If she just does one more big move. But the women were getting eliminated, and on my tribe I was close to Danny and Deshawn. I didnt think it was logical in anyway. I didnt think [Tika] opened [the birdcage]. So I think that we had enough time that we actually got to start strategizing, but then people kind of stressed themselves out. And I'm pretty sure it wasn't me, but I'm like, "I'm just going to take the blame because there's a good chance it was." What's something that happened out there that didn't make it to TV that you wish we could have seen? This week, Rob speaks with the winnerErika Casupanan, runners-upDeshawn Radden andXander Hastings, and finalistsHeather Aldret andRicard Foy to break down all their games, strategies, and decisions from the finale and the whole season. How far would you have gone with her had you survived that vote, and what were your Final 3 plans? So I was privy to basically 99 percent of the information. Below, TVLine talks to Frannie about her impressive challenge run, whether she considered throwing competitions, trying to axe Danny and so much more. And then I, I knew that I was up and I knew that they were telling me if it wasn't me, it was gonna be Maryanne. I would rather be that person the alliance was begging. And then Maryanne was just Maryanne. Third, Rob speaks with the second runner-up ofSurvivor 41, Xander Hastings. Shes got that big smile no matter what. Also, one castaways paranoia and overconfidence risks leading them to their downfall, on SURVIVOR, Wednesday, Oct. 12 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network, and available to stream live and on demand on Paramount+. He had played his idol correctly. [Laughs] I was the one girl in the all-male alliance. My perception going in was that we had me and the Tika four on Danny and then Lauren, Jamie, Lauren (with the extra vote) on Heidi as a backup. So I'm like, "This is great." Extraction 2's Chris Hemsworth on his family, future, and fiery action sequel. They covered that very well. Heres what you need to know. [Laughs] I did nothing. WebVolodymyr Zelenskyy has condemned the missile strikes on Kramatorsk which left at least four people dead. At this point in the game, people are discounting her, right? It was Heidi and she totally lied about it. With your final comments to all the players after you were voted out, were those just strictly personal moments or was there strategy behind what you were saying? Obviously thats not how it worked out. But theyre all really good players, so they kept their lies straight considering how many people I talked to that trial. And I thought even if they didnt do that, then hopefully, even if its pointed at me, Im still insulated here because I have a three-person split vote on Heidi. Liked it? Web52 min INTERVIEW: Amber Smith (Route 91 Survivor) The Murder Diaries True Crime Today we are joined by Amber Smith, a mom, wife, and survivor of the Route 91 Harvest music festival mass shooting. By subscribing, I agree to the Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. Yeah, my game strategy was to be liked by almost everybody. So Im like, Oh, it would be really intelligent for him to come out to me and offer this olive branch like, Hey, I know who voted for you, so I was like, it must be him.. Did the former Ratu and Soka members underestimate them? Season 42 will premiere Wednesday, March 9, 2022. I'm my best friend. Instantly. What was he expecting to happen instead and why didnt his alliance target the Tikas? I was like, Maybe I should stop. Even from the group challenges, when I showed up at the merge people were like, Youre really strong! I was like, Me? 20 years of Wrong Turn: How a movie about murderous cannibals became an unkillable franchise. And he was just getting a little sloppy. I would say, like, "Oh, pretty rock." That came as a huge surprise. Sex and the City turns 25: A conversation with Skipper, Carrie's nice-guy pal from season 1. Hai Giang reacts to learning about Omar's big lie on, Rocksroy Bailey reacts to super-emotional, Watch Romeo Escobar come out as gay to his entire tribe on, Chanelle Howell says she was 'vilified' on. Survivor Exit Interview Season 44, Episode 9: [Spoiler] And it was also like, let's build this bond together, ladies. Some of the key figures in front of and behind the camera explained how it happened. Yeah, and part of the reason I sat out of the challenge was 'cause I know it was so hard for Danny to try to throw 'cause he's an athlete, but I myself was also an athlete, and I'm like, "I can't do it." And I think it's maybe the Italian maternal side, where it's just like, I feel. So people were starting to notice that he was talking to everyone. [Laughs] Yeah! The Eliza Dushku-starring 2003 horror film was followed by six other movies, with two more planned. The gunman at Mandalay Bay unleashed bullets for 11 minutes into the festival. So the monster in the game is really just the monster of killing f---ing good personalities. Deshawn was like, "Sydney, Tiff, shut up!". What can I change?. [Laughs] Whatever, I like myself way better. And I did have her. So it would not benefit him taking me out so soon because that's just how I thought. So we were really close. I would've given honest answers to the jury. So it really did capture everything I thought it would capture. CBS genre Reality Drea Wheeler was dominant when it came to collecting idols and advantages on Survivor 42. So tell me about the decision to tell Omar about the Knowledge is Power advantage. First off, just tell me what was going through your mind and what you were processing as you walked in and saw Rocksroy there sitting next to Chanelle? So I was like, Hey, if nobody is listening to you or nobody thinks you know whats going on, why dont we be the people who know whats going on and lets work together? So I definitely wanted to go to the end with her and then I was really trying to work on something with Lauren and Jamie because, especially after Kane leaves, I felt like that pair was kind of floating around and it wasnt exactly clear who they were working with. So I had good reason to believe that Jamie was an adept liar because when she swapped to Soka, she shows up and completely lied about the state of Ratu. I feel like there's a clue over there because of previous seasons so I'm gonna do whatever I can to like convince Maryanne that it's in her best interest to come to this side so I could see what's over there and get another advantage." On why Liana spilled the beans to Shan, Danny suspected it was guilt about agreeing that Shan should be taken out at some point. Strangers starve themselves on an island for our amusement in the hopes of winning $1 million, as host Jeff Probst implores them to "Dig deep! Below, Robert De Niro Danny talks to TVLine about dealing with Carolyns swinging emotions, Heidis vote to get him out and the masterful game of chess being played by Yam Yam. But could still win. WebHeidi Lagares-Greenblatt Post-Season Interview | Survivor 44 Rob Cesternino is thrilled to welcome to the podcast, Survivor 44 runner-up Heidi Lagares-Greenblatt! I like my chaos, but I like it to be organized. TVLINE | Hey, 10 blocks is pretty far! Jeff asked me if I wanted chaos and then all of a sudden everyones coming and whispering in my ear and telling me different plans. Heidi joins us for a post-season interview, looking back at her time in Fiji. I was myself. Exit interviews hosted by Rob Cesternino are one of the most intriguing extra features Survivor superfans get to enjoy each season. Show No Mercy One tribe makes a strategic decision in this weeks immunity challenge that sends another tribe to tribal council. Photo: CBS 2022 CBS Broadcasting, Inc. All Rights Reserved. I had a good trusting relationship with them. What was your general game strategy? That was such a funny one because the layers of it are so good! Me and Heather, no comment. I respect her. When it came time to vote at Tribal Council, all eyes (and a majority of the votes) fell on Kane, as Soka continued to dominate and decimate the former Ratus. So I felt like this was a reasonable plan for people to hop on board with. As Im spinning [during the immunity challenge], I was like, Oh, I should probably not win this! [Laughs]. Pictured (L-R): Tribe Baka: Owen Knight, Sami Layadi, Mike 'Gabler' Gabler and Tribe Vesi: Noelle Lambert, Dwight Moore, Jesse Lopez, Cody Assenmacher. And then we talked and he was like, "I do like you!" Sign up forEntertainment Weekly's free daily newsletterto get breaking TV news, exclusive first looks, recaps, reviews, interviews with your favorite stars, and more. So really, I just wanted to sleep and roll that f---ing dice. Pictured (L-R): Helen Li, Carson Garrett, and Yamil "Yam Yam" Arocho. I know, I know! Im sorry, I love you guys very much. Was it a little strategic? So Danny was sort of this orb that blocked my vision of what my final Tribal looked like. And then I just started crying because I was like, "I can't believe this is happening on television." And it's funny because a lot of people are like, "Oh, Sydney's obviously exaggerating for TV," but all my friends are like, "It's so funny that people think you're a persona on TV. Its the movement of the head. Or 16th favorite 2nd place, poss 11th favorite 3rd place, or 6th favorite 4th place, or 1st best 5th place. I was Drea in the game. Mike is playing a social game, but if he makes it to the end, he could be a likable person. I wish that they had shown my interaction with Jonathan after the fish incident where he thought I was being aggressive. Me, Danny, and Deshawn, we laughed and laughed and laughed. But I just remember they were so cliquey, and we were together all day on the beach, and I was privy to the plan. That was my ideal. We will notify you when someone replies. I think it would have been me, Jamie and Lauren. We're friends" this was a genuine moment. 20 years of Wrong Turn: How a movie about murderous cannibals became an unkillable franchise. There was that side of me. I kind of wish they showed that because it was sick. And you saw Liana say, "You will know at Tribal that you're safe." Why not and when did you find out she was actually being truthful? If it was something that I thought I had even like a 50 percent chance in winning, I would have tried it, but I did not want to be the person who went on the challenge, lasted for 25 seconds, and then went and sat on the bench without getting rice. You can't say anything without her [making] the conversation about herself. [Laughs] Ill like, I dont know, break my leg before I go or something! In his RHAP interview, he explained that there was a scene fans didnt see where he actually pulled Shan aside and told her of the plan to blindside Ricard, in hopes that she would agree to the plan. Jeffs like, OK, well maybe I can make it better for future seasons. And talking to Danny, he's like, "You voted yourself out. Thats just taco talk.? Photo: Robert Voets/CBS 2022 CBS Broadcasting, Inc. All Rights Reserved. I wrote out a workout schedule and I was like, Im gonna go and practice all the puzzles and whatever. But they were very paranoid about a female alliance, which I had no interest in being a part of. Obviously it depends on whom you're up against, but generally how do you think you do with votes if you make it to the final 3? Tiffany's like, "I want it," and I was like, "I don't know, like, let's give it to Brad. I dont believe this for a second, and I love that! And it's like, "Oh, you're so f---ing tired? On Wednesdays episode of Survivor, the former Tika members tightened their grip on the game, despite the fact that Carolyn was hurt and enraged about being left out of the Frannie vote. Hes from the Bronx, or at least lives there, so I think they were going with a Danny from the Bronx (insert J-Lo reference here) sort of thing. So I think more checking in, more awareness of all the possibilities at every stage of the game. Courtesy of CBS. And after that heart-to-heart, I was like, "Okay, Rocks has my back." It was very difficult to process., In Sydney Segals exit interview with TVLine, she revealed that Danny basically reamed Jeff out. That was my goal was to have Maryanne's back. And that was to get a very strong player out and keep a lamb in. Sex and the City turns 25: A conversation with Skipper, Carrie's nice-guy pal from season 1. Danny McCray, former NFL player and the latest member of the Survivor 41 jury, recently sat down to speak with a number of outlets about his elimination, and what we missed during time on the island. So that was just like, come on! They do a great job. You're hungry, you're tired," but you will never escape your essence. Also, paranoia starts to set in as a looming suspicion becomes the elephant in the room, and lines are drawn in the sand at tribal council, on SURVIVOR, Wednesday, March 8, (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network, and available to stream live and on demand on Paramount+. 12/16 Survivor 41 Finale Exit Interviews with Rob Cesternino, Erika Casupanan, Deshawn Radden, Xander Hastings, Heather Aldret, and Ricard Foy 12/16 Or maybe you're smart enough to get rid of him now. She'd be like, "Oh, that rock reminds me of the rock me and Bubba used to go fishing on." I'm not trying to be aggressive, but I'm starving!". But I just did not have the social capital at this point to take my name out of the bucket. Thank goodness he got the boot. The star sits down with EW for a deep dive on his blockbuster Netflix franchise, those "overdramatized" retirement reports, the upcomingFuriosa, his hopes to "reinvent" Thor, and more. 2023 TVLine Media, LLC. The following contains spoilers from Wednesdays episode ofSurvivor. And after Hai went out, I was like, "Well, you're just as much as a threat as me." According to Danny, Shan misinterpreted this as a plan to blindside Shan herself, which set in motion the rest of the episode: Liana tells [Shan] that were coming for her, which spooks Shan out, Shan runs back to Ricard and tells him the plan. Yam Yam, and I watched him interact with everybody and saw how incredible he is at reading people. But that was my plan. We were party to that conversation. Hoped is probably a better word because there was a lot of different things going around. In his exit interviews, the most recent "Survivor 41" boot revealed what we missed in the edit, including why he had a spat with host Jeff Probst, and his issues with ally Deshawn Radden. When TVLine asked Dany about this, he laughed, and rejected the notion that he was yelling at Probst, but did say they had a discussion about it: Im not a confrontational type, and I love Sydney, but I wouldnt say I was yelling at JeffBut it was very important for me to let him know that the integrity of the game is at risk when you are the host and youre able to lie to the contestants. Just not memorable she probably be 26 favorite winner. She crushed it when it came to living out in the island and being a part of nature. Knowing all too well that knowledge is power, why did you keep giving that power away? [Laughs] Cause I was like, I wanna like you. She gunned for the glory, firmly instating her challenge beast status and choosing to take Carolyn, Heidi and Lauren on the reward. Why did Drea risk telling Omar? But then when I pick them out individually, it's like, "That's family." They didn't show that, and I wish I had they had because that actually was a beautiful ending. TVLINE | Tribal Council broke out into a series of whispers and side conversations. You were pretty upset with people after being voted out. I honestly forgot about the Shot in the Dark because it was just so new to the game. TVLINE | Who did you want to go to the Final 3 with? We were just dying, dying, laughing. And then I realized that I just don't think he understood. They're great orators. Starting off the game strong on the Soka tribe, Heidi came I feel like she was just living out there. Let's not have two floating." And I'm screaming at the TV screen as you're doing it. I was shocked! And I think that is the mental fortitude and toughness you need to win that challenge, and thats where he outdid me is just having that mindset going in, which is just super impressive. Following What's something that happened out there that never made it to TV that you wish we had seen? And he says if you stab a guy with a toothpick you're going to go blind." What did she mean with her final comments after getting voted out? You're the fisherman! People see me as a threat at challenges, but its not concerning otherwise. So I think that in trying to get people to vote for Danny, I should have put more effort into making them feel less concerned about me. TVLINE | What is something important about the game or your gameplay that didnt make the edit? I really weighed the pros and cons. Powered by. TVLINE | So what are the most important elements to a good Robert De Niro impression? If you are a heinous person with a s--- personality, you're still going to be a heinous person with a s--- personality on the f---ing island. That's the one power you have in the game, right? In Wednesdays episode of Survivor, a negotiation with Jeff for a bag of rice led to Kane, Heidi, Lauren and Carson sitting out of the immunity challenge. They were saying to vote Deshawn. She agreed to do so, Danny said, and it was after that when Liana told Shan about the plan to blindside her by voting out Ricard. Talk smart about TV! None. Danny has been vocal in his criticism for the excessive twists used on his season, most notably the seasons Hourglass twist in which Erika was able to reverse time in episode 7 and change the outcome of a group immunity challenge, a twist among many which have drawn ire from fans and former contestants alike. The crazy thing about Survivor is that you have this super intense life moment, and you really have it twice, because you have it out there, and then you you have to relive it months later on TV. They knew where I stood. I think thats actually the hardest pill for me to swallow because I had so many plans and I had so much strategy to talk with people and I had very good relationships, but I was always part of the perceived majority. And I hope someone else believes in me. I think no matter who wins the reward or no matter who I take, if I do not win immunity, Im getting votes. Carolyn Wiger, Lauren Harpe, Yam Yam Arocho, Heidi Lagares-Greenblatt, and Carson Garrett on 'Survivor 44', Kane Fritzler and Carson Garrett on 'Survivor 44', Two Dorky Magnets Tribes must snake their way toward the win for immunity and reward. CBSDanny McCray and Deshawn Radden in Survivor 41.. Mark Harmon to Tell the Real Story About NCIS Predecessor in Upcoming Book, Miss Benny Manifested Kim Cattrall as Their Co-Star on Netflixs, ESPN Cutting 17 On-Air Personalities: Keyshawn Johnson, Jeff Van Gundy and More See Updated List, Box Office: 'Spider-Verse' Returns to No. Jeff Probst and the cast of 'Survivor 43'. So I'm just like, "I wanna go f---ing kill myself.". My family, my friends, they were all shocked because I'm usually the rock, you know? "And I'm just glad I'm me, because what I have outside of this game is 500 kajillion times better, so that makes me feel good, even if it's super immature.". We never really got to see much of it because you all kept winning. Also, one castaways paranoia and overconfidence risks leading them to their downfall, on SURVIVOR, Wednesday, Oct. 12 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network, and available to stream live and on demand on Paramount+. We checked in with the 35-year-old fitness consultant the morning after her televised ouster and she shared plenty on intel on stuff we didn't see. What was your plan when you walked into Tribal before all the craziness of that whole Knowledge Is Power advantage went down? Would love your thoughts, please comment. Knowing she was likely the person to be voted out, Sydney became the first person in Survivor history to use the new Shot in the Dark chance, sacrificing her vote for a one-in-six chance at immunity. Even when I got home, people from both sides were like, "Your vote out f---ed up my game." So yeah, youve got to pick somebody to go after. Jaime could win I know I been bashing her all season. I was like, Ill put this off till tomorrow. My body was going to ketosis. That was my way of telling her, I got you. People just felt very confused and didnt really know what was going on. Unfortunately for her, that left Jaime, Danny, Carson and Yam Yam behind at camp, allotting them ample time to plot her downfall at Wednesdays Tribal Council. Obviously he's not going to play his idol. I wanted them to have their letters from their kids. So to watch Yam Yam and Heidi did wonderful too she really was scared of that challenge, so I know her girls and Mike, her husband, were getting to watch that. Was it just that fear of Naseer playing his idol or were they closer to Naseer at this point? Mark Harmon to Tell the Real Story About NCIS Predecessor in Upcoming Book, Miss Benny Manifested Kim Cattrall as Their Co-Star on Netflixs, ESPN Cutting 17 On-Air Personalities: Keyshawn Johnson, Jeff Van Gundy and More See Updated List, Box Office: 'Spider-Verse' Returns to No. You mentioned in a Zoom interview you did with EW before the season began that, in your own words, you "fart a lot." And you know, Jeff says the words full tilt boogie and we go, Ahhh!. Ah, but how does Sydney feel now? Sat Jun 17, 2023 at 2:23pm ET By Ryan DeVault Matthew Grinstead-Mayle played on Survivor Season 44. exit interviews. I'm either going to ride or die for you, or if I never saw you again, it would be too soon. I was shocked when I saw two people left. It was really cool. I didn't think Rocks liked me. That's how I felt, like, help me help you! TVLINE | Frannie pitched to Danny a possible Yam Yam vote. In this episode, there were so many plans circling about. So thats what I thought was gonna happen. But at that point I believed that she was against me, and up until then, the only people that had expressed interest in working with me were JD and Xander on his hike with Danny. Was there ever any talk about where it mightve been? But when you are the person that says, Work hard, dig hard, you have to earn everything this season on Survivor, and then you earn it, really just to not earn it, it didnt sit well with me., When asked by Cesternino if he would play again, Danny basically said that as long as the Hourglass twist was in, he was out. We had this interaction at Ika where we just had a heart-to-heart that no one saw. I had social connections with most people at camp. But with everyones main target Ricard immune, the vote came down to splitting up allies Danny and Deshawn. Because she was very holier-than-thou, I would say. I understand her. If you could smash an hourglass and go back to change something about the way you played, what would it be? And, I mean, I thought I was. It didnt make sense. My dad always says it's not what you say, it's how you say it. So, like, f--- my life. Yeah, its the mannerisms. But with that clique I was like, "Well, I'm my own fan. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. And I hate to say that 'cause I really, really wanted to work with her. And viewing the optics of what was happening, I was like, "Wow, I am literally the definition of unfortunate collateral. I knew that no one will let me get to the end. I'm also on Twitter. I couldnt breathe. Of course, it was! But then when you're on the beach and everyone's scrambling and Naseer hears, "Oh, we think Naseer is going to play an idol, so let's just put votes on these people." We can go after each other later in the game, but let's get the firefighter out. TVLINE | You were trying to sniff out who voted for you in the previous Tribal Council. I felt uncertain about what would happen because there was a remarkable number of different strategies in which I was enlightened. He was like, This isnt a twist. I think it would be funny for him to reside it for Jamie to find again. And then I was weighing the benefits and the risk vs. benefit costs. Right when we got back from the challenge, Deshawn and Evvie were the ones whose names were out because they're so likable. Jaime led us on a ton and Im so happy they showed that because Jamies an outdoors woman. That challenge was meant for strong players to win. You're like a 52-year-old child. Omar, Hai and I had an alliance and people didn't see how close the three of us actually were. YouTube Yeah, we were aware that they were playing the middle. We related to him in very emotional ways; I guess ways that I thought were bigger than the game, and that we had each other's back. Comments are monitored, so dont forkin' curse and dont bore us with how much your coworkers sister-in-law makes per hour. In his post-exit Rob Has a Podcast interview with Rob Cesternino, Danny shed light on several elements of the game that fans may have missed. TVLINE | How much do you think winning this reward challenge specifically factored into your vote-out, or would you have been the primary target regardless? So by the time I get back, trying to loop in Jamie, Yam Yam and Carson on this plan to vote Danny, theyve had 24 hours of planning to vote me out should I lose the immunity challenge. You feel very safe on Survivor. [Laughs] You know what, kudos to him. 1 as 'The Flash' Collapses by 73% and Jennifer Lawrence's 'No Hard Feelings' Opens to $15 Million, 'Superman: Legacy' Finds Leads With David Corenswet and Rachel Brosnahan, Ivanka Trump's Separation From Donald Trump May Be Complete Now That She's Dismissed From This Family Event, Cardi B Screams In Excitement As Offset, Quavo Put Feud To Bed For Takeoff Tribute, Darren Drozdov Dies: WWE Wrestler Paralyzed In Ring Accident Was 54, SCOTUS Ends Biden Loan Plan for Students,Athletes, Youd Rather Watch Ads Than Pay More for Peacock, Indiana Jones 5 Director James Mangold Explains the Fate of Shia LaBeoufs Character and the Wild Swing Ending, Operational Assessment: TUT Trainers Slim Attempt to Replace Weights. Im true to what I said at Tribal Council. And what he's telling you is probably a lie. Webexit interview. And so I was kind of like, Oh, people see me as being on the bottom. Jamie is so awesome. She was very concerned. So that's why I told him we needed to work together. For sure. And it was a real moment in my life that I just was like, "Oh my God, this is gonna be on television." But I thought I could kind of punch up as the sort of champion of that effort. I think thats a situation where I could potentially talk my way into a win. She told us that that infamous first Ratu vote, she was like, Yeah, that was a unanimous vote on Maddy, and we were like, OK, that sounds right. She didnt tell us about the Shot in the Dark play. 2023 TVLine Media, LLC. I wasnt banking on that scouts honor, thats for sure. Who would it behoove for me to think that it was Heidi? We spoke with the law student to get her take on her ouster, why Deshawn turned on her, and how she feels about that controversial hourglass twist. Then, at the merge, he pulled off a major blindside of Liana to keep his idol and kept his alliance safe. So when I said to him "No, it's not you. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This cast is pretty amazing at separating gameplay from friendship. Unfortunately, due to the Edge of TVLINE | When you went to the Sanctuary with Brandon and Carolyn, Carolyn was very miffed about all the bro-ing down that was going on. Did you do anything special to prepare? So I wanted to really process what I was seeing and what I was saying so that it would come out the way I felt. Full tilt boogie, baby! document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Danny found d a fake idol. So funny to watch. TVLINE | Quick sidebar here: Did you go full tilt boogie at Ponderosa? He had this Napoleon complex and needed a wake up call.
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